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Post by BeanThinking on Dec 13, 2006 12:29:22 GMT 1
Its a life changing spiritual event. If you do "change" like Sizzla has done, you haven't really found it in the first place in my opinion, and maybe you were faking all along. You talk about it as if it's the truth??? Like you can only find one way to spiritual liberation? Is it not very personal, like you could consider to have found Liberation, but the man or woman next to you doesn't recognize that. Maybe Sizzla considers himself to be whiser now... |
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 13:04:41 GMT 1
Off course there's not ONE way to spiritual enlightenment (if that's what you like to name it). Rastafari is but one way to walk, but what one can not claim is that dancehall has anything to do with that at all. None the less it is that message and vibe filling the (ghetto) youths minds!
I'll even take it away from reggae and Jamaica. I live in Turnhout, a small provincial town with little meaning but with a rather large African population (mainly Ghanese, Nigerian). I see these youngsters walking around Turnhout, a stupid town in Belgium, as if they were 50cent himself walking around in New York. In my opinion it is already 5 minutes to twelve and we should start to think about the impact music has on these kind of youths and their entire lifestyle! The expression "it's only music" is no longer valid, as it allso involves a way of dressing, behaving (towards women, gays) and worst of all in the end thinking!
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by houstony3k on Dec 13, 2006 14:41:46 GMT 1
Does it really matter how people dress  Offcourse dem dress like people they listen too, but not only 'nigerians or ghanians' isn't it ? But if music makes you kill somebody then watching a violent dvd should also be critized, than what about computergames ? Is dancehall really so violent or is it a mirror of our society ? Offcourse its not only music, it's culture and yes i hate gay lifestyle, because to my believe its a wrong and dirty lifestyle and it is promoted in the western world as it is a normal thing.I deserve the right to critisize any lifestyle i dislike. They might hate me too and that is their right. But i will never start killing or hurting dem. Dancehall don't make me hate gays, dancehall confirms what i was brought up with. Anyway, this is one of the nicest discussions on this forum !! |
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 14:53:06 GMT 1
I think it does matter how you dress yes, because in large part it expresses who you are and what you stand for. To state the most obvious example: Skinheads
And a less obvious one from the past: American Indians believing their Ghost Shirts would actually shield them from bullets.
I've debated to much already about the gay issue and don't want to do that allover again. Let me just state that "dirty" is something in your mind and lot of other people. What is "dirty" for one person is not for the next. These things should be judged on a rational level rather then an emotional one or even worse a religious one.
Let's use this weeks example at the Roma in Antwerp. Fundamentalist Muslims started riots and threathening people saying the music played by a Moroccan group in the Roma was supposedly "unclean".
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by houstony3k on Dec 13, 2006 14:53:33 GMT 1
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 15:09:21 GMT 1
That is just stating the obvious. But it is not becaus other people scream the same slogans then you that sth. becomes more true or justified.
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by houstony3k on Dec 13, 2006 15:11:01 GMT 1
That's true Jah Rebel...
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 15:22:31 GMT 1
Maybe some honesty wouldn't go amiss here either. I think the reason people react so fiercely about Sizzla, is that for a lot of conscious people he used to be an example. Now to see him go over into the camp that most conscious reggae lovers despise simply comes as a shock and feels a bit like betrayal.
That's the non-rational aspects of this issue roaming around in my head.
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 15:30:03 GMT 1
There's another question in my mind. All these people who always state they don't listen to lyrics and only vibe to the rhythm of the music... I wonder if tomorrow we would release a dancehall cd by the best artists on the hottest riddims but only with childrens lyrics on it à la Samson & Gert or K3, would they stick to their words?
Just wondering...
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by snipaman on Dec 13, 2006 18:45:20 GMT 1
There's another question in my mind. All these people who always state they don't listen to lyrics and only vibe to the rhythm of the music... I wonder if tomorrow we would release a dancehall cd by the best artists on the hottest riddims but only with childrens lyrics on it à la Samson & Gert or K3, would they stick to their words? Just wondering... Ites, Rebel I think people who say they don't listen to the lyrics are actually coming for the vibe and/or just don't understand the lyrics. It took me some years of listening intensive to reggae before i started understanding the lyrics and still sometimes its hard to understand what an artist is saying, or what a curtain expression means, so I think they don't try to understand because for them it's just music to party to, not some passion like most people on this forum, who listen 24/7 to reggae and understand some jamaican patios. Bless |
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Post by El_foent on Dec 13, 2006 20:13:41 GMT 1
I will tell you what is bothering me the most;
please don't let anybody take this as an offence.
When I play my selection in for example Izzymaze, which is as some of you might know a strictly roots & rubadub selection, some youngeer guys sometimes complain about my music.
They say like 'Hey I came to catch a party for the vibez, not to listen to the music my grandparents did listen to.'
These guys just don't know what reggae is all about. They just wan't to hear slackness & 'put gunshot inna di bloodclaat's face' lyrics. They don't seem to know that in the first place reggae was rebelous, but very conscious music. Dedicated to the massive in the name of the Most High. They do not seem to know that this is the foundation of what any music from Jamaica today, whether it slack bounty or conscious luciano.
These kids are products of this modern society who forgot the roots & our grandparents, LIKE SHABBA RANKS HIMSELF SAID """ THIS ONE DEDICATED TO ALL THE GODFATHERS WHO SET IT""", They don't know what this lyrics are about, and what the meaning of Jah people and its opposit Babbylonians is.
This evolution I do not like at all, they have to know that when I play this music, this is what I stand for, and I know that 90 % of the people inside DO LIKE this foundation.
Please do not misunderstand me. When I come to a party, I can enjoy some sizzla's , bounty's & shabbas. This singers can also catch me on the dancefloor.
But one thing I would like to say to Sizzla, he might never get this message... PLEASE DON'T TELL THE YOUNGSTERS TO KILL IN THE NAME OF THE BIBLE, because in the HOLY BIBLE, there is NO such thing as justified KILLING.
Offcourse Sizzla can sing this lyrics, he has every right, but remember 2 things
1. What do i wan't to reach with this, a ghettokid to catch a gun and shoot his brother down?
2. Do I not upset Jah when I sing killing lyrics in HIM's name?
I think what he is saying is the right opposit of what singers such as Bob Marley, Dennis Brown, and so on would try to teach. REBEL but in a CONCSCIOUS way.
Thanks Ras Feel to dig this Peter Tosh quote up, there is much contence innit.
El_funt@
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Post by Me on Dec 13, 2006 20:58:28 GMT 1
euh bible don't promote murder?
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death''
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Post by Jah Rebel on Dec 13, 2006 21:10:55 GMT 1
El Funt,
All due respect, but the Bible referral not the smartest move as it is that book that is constantly used to underline these discriminations.
After about 3 years I've just finished reading the Bible for the first time. And in my opinion the book was way ahead of it's time because all these rules and regulations were to do with blood and how to keep it pure/clean. When we look at what we know today about virusses and so on those rules back then where far from a bad idea. Especially for a people wandering through the dessert from place to place. But that was 2000 years ago, today we have condoms.
I hope you understand what I mean here.
Ites,
Rebel
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Post by El_foent on Dec 13, 2006 21:56:04 GMT 1
Luister goed; "In het Hebreeuws wordt het boek Wajikra ('en Hij riep') genoemd." Hij riep. "He called" "zij zullen zekerlijk gedood worden" Het is " they SHALL surely be put to death, en niet should. What do I want to make clear? Jah has the decision. JAH, not mankind has the control on this person. HE will decide whether this person shall be killed or not. I never read any word in the bible that one PERSON should kill another person. The decision is in His power. It's wrong when a person takes the life of another person, that is not his purpose of being. Jah will judge on you in armageddeon time. That is what is really written in the Bible. So when Sizzla says that He is gotta put his gun towards this battyboy, he better know that he's wrong. He takes hte decision in God's place. Even Jesus Son of God does not judge in His place. That's not his purpose, he as a man, has to do good for his brotherman, even if this brother committed sins against Jah law. It is not his duty to judge on the sinnerman. Think about this please I think this is a useful discussion, let's not make this one personal Bless FuntY edit @ Rebel; sorry did'nt read your paragraph before I answered, but you're opinion on my referral is not quite clear to me, but I'm sure you will reveal it clearly on me in due time, en int nederlands  . I hope you get to understand my opinion. JahBlessss |
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Post by Selector Waxx on Dec 13, 2006 22:52:30 GMT 1
euh bible don't promote murder? Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death'' the same bible said in the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:2-17): "thou shall not kill". Even if you believe that gayness is a sin, you can't counteract it with an other, and more heavy sin, wich is killing ppl. |
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. I hope you get to understand my opinion. JahBlessss