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Feuds have long been a part of Jamaican music, from the ska era to the dancehall. However, in recent times they have reached unprecedented levels of violence, often with personal vendettas on and off stage.
In music, competition occurs across genres. In rap music there was Kanye West versus 50 Cent and Eminem versus Jermaine Dupri (and almost all the rap community). In rock, there are British rock bands versus American rock bands, in pop Britney Spears versus Christina Aguilera, and the list goes on.
While most stopped at word throwing, there have been instances of violence, such as the infamous feud and resulting death of rap stars Tupac Shakur and the Notorious BIG. In the dancehall, probably the most explosive feud has been between David Brooks, aka Mavado, and Adidjah Palmer, aka Vybz Kartel.
While something as extreme as police interference could possibly stop the feuding, there is the school of thought that it should be left in the hands of the producers who make the music possible. When The Sunday Gleaner spoke to producer Jordan McClure of himney Records, which released the Ole Crep rhythm, as well singles such as Mentally Ill by Vybz Kartel featuring Raine Seville, as well as Ball Out by Blak Ryno, he declared his firm stance against recording 'diss' songs.
He said, "I'm not promoting any kind of mix-up and confrontation. I just want everybody live together and stop the foolishness. If a producer would stop letting them voice the foolishness then where the artiste gonna voice a diss?" According to McClure, if an artiste were to come to him to voice a diss for another artiste he would not record the track.
Hot producer Stephen 'Di Genius' McGregor is also in support of not recording feud songs. He said that one of his rhythms, Powercut, was used as part of the early Mavado and Vybz Kartel feuds. However, according to the young producer, he did not record the songs as they had the rhythm and recorded it elsewhere. He explained: "Right now I wouldn't record clash songs. In the past, yeah, but right now dem tek it too far. It get kinda personal."
Long before the singjay and the deejay exchanged musical blows, feuds were commonplace in Jamaican music. According to www.reggaelicious.com, one of the first feuds heard on vinyl was between Prince Buster and Derrick Morgan.
stealing his possessions
In 1961, Leslie Kong, one of Buster's main production rivals, came to the forefront. When Derrick Morgan left Buster to record with Kong, he felt betrayed. Buster recorded Black Head Chinaman, where he accused Derrick Morgan of stealing his possessions and giving them to a Chinese man (Kong). Morgan's response was Blazing Fire and the musical feud begun.
More feud songs were born and supporters of both artistes got aggravated, leading then Prime Minister Hugh Shearer to step in. Shearer had pictures of the artistes featured in magazines, where they showed that the feud was nothing more than a friendly affair.
In the dancehall era, while Ninja Man and Shabba Ranks had a running skirmish in the late 1980s to early 1990s, it was the now 15-year- (and counting) feud between Rodney 'Bounty Killer' Pryce and Moses 'Beenie Man' Davis that brought lyrical battling to its more 'personal' stage. In the late '90s two dancehall nights had to be created at Reggae Sumfest because the two artistes would not work on the same night.
However, it was after the announcement that Bounty's former girlfriend D'Angel had 'turned' sides to get involved with Beenie Man things got really nasty. In an interview with The STAR, Bounty Killer claimed that the lyrical feud between himself and Beenie Man had escalated beyond mere lyrics and could end in a similar situation to Tupac and Biggie.
Then in 2007, intense lyrical feuding and spurts of violence believed to be linked to the lyrical war between Kartel and Mavado resulted in a press conference held under the guidance of Deputy Commisioner of Police Mark Shields and CEO of RETV Kimani Robinson, where the issues between the artistes were seemingly resolved.
Of late, though, the two have been at it again as the 2008 staging of the traditional battleground concert 'Sting' draws near.
indirectly 'throw words'
With Vybz Kartel and Mavado, McGregor said he would be caught in the middle as both artistes are his friends. While they can indirectly 'throw words' on his rhythms he doesn't allow for direct name calling. Nor do the artistes approach McGregor requesting to do feud songs.
While 'Di Genius' may not utilise his musical gifts to promote violence among artistes, he says he has asked other producers why they record feud songs. He explained, "I've asked other producers who seh to me 'I'm good, me nuh need it', it's a hype for their rhythm."
to each his own
Craig Harrisingh of the producing trio DASECA believes to each producer his own. DASECA has not produced any feuding songs and plan not to become a part of the Mavado and Kartel feud. However, according to Harrisingh, the trio would contemplate recording clash-like songs for Beenie Man and Bounty Killer. According to the producer, the two veteran artistes carry on their battle differently from the younger artistes, with their clash never becoming violent or excessively personal.
Harrisingh told The Sunday Gleaner that with so many persons producing music currently, including artistes themselves, it isn't difficult for an artiste to find someone to produce a clash song for them, especially if the producer is looking fame. He explained that even if a producer does not record a clash song for an artiste, an artiste can still ask a producer to build a rhythm for them and then decide on their own to clash on it.
Ultimately, it would seem the decision to clash is always in the hands of the artistes who engage in lyrical warfare.
support of not recording feud songs. He said that one of his rhythms, Powercut, was used as part of the early Mavado and Vybz Kartel feuds. However, according to the young producer, he did not record the songs as they had the rhythm and recorded it elsewhere. He explained: "Right now I wouldn't record clash songs. In the past, yeah, but right now dem tek it too far. It get kinda personal."
Long before the singjay and the deejay exchanged musical blows, feuds were commonplace in Jamaican music. According to www.reggaelicious.com, one of the first feuds heard on vinyl was between Prince Buster and Derrick Morgan.
Stealing his possessions
In 1961, Leslie Kong, one of Buster's main production rivals, came to the forefront. When Derrick Morgan left Buster to record with Kong, he felt betrayed. Buster recorded Black Head Chinaman, where he accused Derrick Morgan of stealing his possessions and giving them to a Chinese man (Kong). Morgan's response was Blazing Fire and the musical feud begun.
More feud songs were born and supporters of both artistes got aggravated, leading then Prime Minister Hugh Shearer to step in. Shearer had pictures of the artistes featured in magazines, where they showed that the feud was nothing more than a friendly affair. In the dancehall era, while Ninja Man and Shabba Ranks had a running skirmish in the late 1980s to early 1990s, it was the now 15-year- (and counting) feud between Rodney 'Bounty Killer' Pryce and Moses 'Beenie Man' Davis that brought lyrical battling to its more 'personal' stage. In the late '90s two dancehall nights had to be created at Reggae Sumfest because the two artistes would not work on the same night.
However, it was after the announcement that Bounty's former girlfriend D'Angel had 'turned' sides to get involved with Beenie Man things got really nasty. In an interview with The STAR, Bounty Killer claimed that the lyrical feud between himself and Beenie Man had escalated beyond mere lyrics and could end in a similar situation to Tupac and Biggie.
Then in 2007, intense lyrical feuding and spurts of violence believed to be linked to the lyrical war between Kartel and Mavado resulted in a press conference held under the guidance of Deputy Commisioner of Police Mark Shields and CEO of RETV Kimani Robinson, where the issues between the artistes were seemingly resolved.
Of late, though, the two have been at it again as the 2008 staging of the traditional battleground concert 'Sting' draws near.
Indirectly 'throw words'
With Vybz Kartel and Mavado, McGregor said he would be caught in the middle as both artistes are his friends. While they can indirectly 'throw words' on his rhythms he doesn't allow for direct name calling. Nor do the artistes approach McGregor requesting to do feud songs.
While 'Di Genius' may not utilise his musical gifts to promote violence among artistes, he says he has asked other producers why they record feud songs. He explained, "I've asked other producers who seh to me 'I'm good, me nuh need it', it's a hype for their rhythm."
To each his own
Craig Harrisingh of the producing trio DASECA believes to each producer his own. DASECA has not produced any feuding songs and plan not to become a part of the Mavado and Kartel feud. However, according to Harrisingh, the trio would contemplate recording clash-like songs for Beenie Man and Bounty Killer. According to the producer, the two veteran artistes carry on their battle differently from the younger artistes, with their clash never becoming violent or excessively personal.
Harrisingh told The Sunday Gleaner that with so many persons producing music currently, including artistes themselves, it isn't difficult for an artiste to find someone to produce a clash song for them, especially if the producer is looking fame. He explained that even if a producer does not record a clash song for an artiste, an artiste can still ask a producer to build a rhythm for them and then decide on their own to clash on it.
Ultimately, it would seem the decision to clash is always in the hands of the artistes who engage in lyrical warfare.
Feuds have long been a part of Jamaican music, from the ska era to the dancehall. However, in recent times they have reached unprecedented levels of violence, often with personal vendettas on and off stage.
In music, competition occurs across genres. In rap music there was Kanye West versus 50 Cent and Eminem versus Jermaine Dupri (and almost all the rap community). In rock, there are British rock bands versus American rock bands, in pop Britney Spears versus Christina Aguilera, and the list goes on.
While most stopped at word throwing, there have been instances of violence, such as the infamous feud and resulting death of rap stars Tupac Shakur and the Notorious BIG. In the dancehall, probably the most explosive feud has been between David Brooks, aka Mavado, and Adidjah Palmer, aka Vybz Kartel.
While something as extreme as police interference could possibly stop the feuding, there is the school of thought that it should be left in the hands of the producers who make the music possible. When The Sunday Gleaner spoke to producer Jordan McClure of himney Records, which released the Ole Crep rhythm, as well singles such as Mentally Ill by Vybz Kartel featuring Raine Seville, as well as Ball Out by Blak Ryno, he declared his firm stance against recording 'diss' songs.
He said, "I'm not promoting any kind of mix-up and confrontation. I just want everybody live together and stop the foolishness. If a producer would stop letting them voice the foolishness then where the artiste gonna voice a diss?" According to McClure, if an artiste were to come to him to voice a diss for another artiste he would not record the track.
Hot producer Stephen 'Di Genius' McGregor is also in support of not recording feud songs. He said that one of his rhythms, Powercut, was used as part of the early Mavado and Vybz Kartel feuds. However, according to the young producer, he did not record the songs as they had the rhythm and recorded it elsewhere. He explained: "Right now I wouldn't record clash songs. In the past, yeah, but right now dem tek it too far. It get kinda personal."
Long before the singjay and the deejay exchanged musical blows, feuds were commonplace in Jamaican music. According to www.reggaelicious.com, one of the first feuds heard on vinyl was between Prince Buster and Derrick Morgan.
stealing his possessions
In 1961, Leslie Kong, one of Buster's main production rivals, came to the forefront. When Derrick Morgan left Buster to record with Kong, he felt betrayed. Buster recorded Black Head Chinaman, where he accused Derrick Morgan of stealing his possessions and giving them to a Chinese man (Kong). Morgan's response was Blazing Fire and the musical feud begun.
More feud songs were born and supporters of both artistes got aggravated, leading then Prime Minister Hugh Shearer to step in. Shearer had pictures of the artistes featured in magazines, where they showed that the feud was nothing more than a friendly affair.
In the dancehall era, while Ninja Man and Shabba Ranks had a running skirmish in the late 1980s to early 1990s, it was the now 15-year- (and counting) feud between Rodney 'Bounty Killer' Pryce and Moses 'Beenie Man' Davis that brought lyrical battling to its more 'personal' stage. In the late '90s two dancehall nights had to be created at Reggae Sumfest because the two artistes would not work on the same night.
However, it was after the announcement that Bounty's former girlfriend D'Angel had 'turned' sides to get involved with Beenie Man things got really nasty. In an interview with The STAR, Bounty Killer claimed that the lyrical feud between himself and Beenie Man had escalated beyond mere lyrics and could end in a similar situation to Tupac and Biggie.
Then in 2007, intense lyrical feuding and spurts of violence believed to be linked to the lyrical war between Kartel and Mavado resulted in a press conference held under the guidance of Deputy Commisioner of Police Mark Shields and CEO of RETV Kimani Robinson, where the issues between the artistes were seemingly resolved.
Of late, though, the two have been at it again as the 2008 staging of the traditional battleground concert 'Sting' draws near.
indirectly 'throw words'
With Vybz Kartel and Mavado, McGregor said he would be caught in the middle as both artistes are his friends. While they can indirectly 'throw words' on his rhythms he doesn't allow for direct name calling. Nor do the artistes approach McGregor requesting to do feud songs.
While 'Di Genius' may not utilise his musical gifts to promote violence among artistes, he says he has asked other producers why they record feud songs. He explained, "I've asked other producers who seh to me 'I'm good, me nuh need it', it's a hype for their rhythm."
to each his own
Craig Harrisingh of the producing trio DASECA believes to each producer his own. DASECA has not produced any feuding songs and plan not to become a part of the Mavado and Kartel feud. However, according to Harrisingh, the trio would contemplate recording clash-like songs for Beenie Man and Bounty Killer. According to the producer, the two veteran artistes carry on their battle differently from the younger artistes, with their clash never becoming violent or excessively personal.
Harrisingh told The Sunday Gleaner that with so many persons producing music currently, including artistes themselves, it isn't difficult for an artiste to find someone to produce a clash song for them, especially if the producer is looking fame. He explained that even if a producer does not record a clash song for an artiste, an artiste can still ask a producer to build a rhythm for them and then decide on their own to clash on it.
Ultimately, it would seem the decision to clash is always in the hands of the artistes who engage in lyrical warfare.
support of not recording feud songs. He said that one of his rhythms, Powercut, was used as part of the early Mavado and Vybz Kartel feuds. However, according to the young producer, he did not record the songs as they had the rhythm and recorded it elsewhere. He explained: "Right now I wouldn't record clash songs. In the past, yeah, but right now dem tek it too far. It get kinda personal."
Long before the singjay and the deejay exchanged musical blows, feuds were commonplace in Jamaican music. According to www.reggaelicious.com, one of the first feuds heard on vinyl was between Prince Buster and Derrick Morgan.
Stealing his possessions
In 1961, Leslie Kong, one of Buster's main production rivals, came to the forefront. When Derrick Morgan left Buster to record with Kong, he felt betrayed. Buster recorded Black Head Chinaman, where he accused Derrick Morgan of stealing his possessions and giving them to a Chinese man (Kong). Morgan's response was Blazing Fire and the musical feud begun.
More feud songs were born and supporters of both artistes got aggravated, leading then Prime Minister Hugh Shearer to step in. Shearer had pictures of the artistes featured in magazines, where they showed that the feud was nothing more than a friendly affair. In the dancehall era, while Ninja Man and Shabba Ranks had a running skirmish in the late 1980s to early 1990s, it was the now 15-year- (and counting) feud between Rodney 'Bounty Killer' Pryce and Moses 'Beenie Man' Davis that brought lyrical battling to its more 'personal' stage. In the late '90s two dancehall nights had to be created at Reggae Sumfest because the two artistes would not work on the same night.
However, it was after the announcement that Bounty's former girlfriend D'Angel had 'turned' sides to get involved with Beenie Man things got really nasty. In an interview with The STAR, Bounty Killer claimed that the lyrical feud between himself and Beenie Man had escalated beyond mere lyrics and could end in a similar situation to Tupac and Biggie.
Then in 2007, intense lyrical feuding and spurts of violence believed to be linked to the lyrical war between Kartel and Mavado resulted in a press conference held under the guidance of Deputy Commisioner of Police Mark Shields and CEO of RETV Kimani Robinson, where the issues between the artistes were seemingly resolved.
Of late, though, the two have been at it again as the 2008 staging of the traditional battleground concert 'Sting' draws near.
Indirectly 'throw words'
With Vybz Kartel and Mavado, McGregor said he would be caught in the middle as both artistes are his friends. While they can indirectly 'throw words' on his rhythms he doesn't allow for direct name calling. Nor do the artistes approach McGregor requesting to do feud songs.
While 'Di Genius' may not utilise his musical gifts to promote violence among artistes, he says he has asked other producers why they record feud songs. He explained, "I've asked other producers who seh to me 'I'm good, me nuh need it', it's a hype for their rhythm."
To each his own
Craig Harrisingh of the producing trio DASECA believes to each producer his own. DASECA has not produced any feuding songs and plan not to become a part of the Mavado and Kartel feud. However, according to Harrisingh, the trio would contemplate recording clash-like songs for Beenie Man and Bounty Killer. According to the producer, the two veteran artistes carry on their battle differently from the younger artistes, with their clash never becoming violent or excessively personal.
Harrisingh told The Sunday Gleaner that with so many persons producing music currently, including artistes themselves, it isn't difficult for an artiste to find someone to produce a clash song for them, especially if the producer is looking fame. He explained that even if a producer does not record a clash song for an artiste, an artiste can still ask a producer to build a rhythm for them and then decide on their own to clash on it.
Ultimately, it would seem the decision to clash is always in the hands of the artistes who engage in lyrical warfare.